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... I never described [sic] to the NS Race Ideology, i.e.,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (sergeyromanov) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49587 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:44:51 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49584/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49584
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Well, the important thing is that it was not just the Armvogel guys but implicates the Wehrmacht as well. That returns the Greuelpropaganda back to pre-Cold War days, before the SS became the "alibi" for a nation.


Suddenly the Waffen-SS slogan 'Soldaten wie anderen auch' acquires a new meaning. feeds@yuku.com (nickterry) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49584 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:35:57 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49586/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49586 --
The figures looked more or less human. And they were engaged in religion. You could tell by the knives (it's not murder if you do it for a god).

-- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods) ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Earldor) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49586 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:46:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49580/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49580 Quote:
New Post Re: monkeys and typewriters

Quote:SCOTT
You do your demographic research, Earldor,

EARLDOR
Oh, the work is hardly mine. It has been done by much more accomplished scholars than I.
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I don't think it has been done at all.


But that is a blatant lie, Scott.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Earldor) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49580 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:44:49 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49574/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49574 Quote:
So Hoess never mentioned any gas vans?


Can't remember whether he did or not. He most certainly did not deny the killing of millions in his camp and the Operation Reinhardt camps, plus he did go to Chelmno to learn how to dispose of huge quantities of bodies.

As I said, the method of killing is beside the point here.

We have the evidence to show that thousands upon thousands of Jews were sent to Chelmno,... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Earldor) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49574 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:41:26 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49583/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49583 Quote:
SCOTT
Well, Goldhagen thinks that every German was a jackbooted exterminator in Lederhosen.

NT
And Goldhagen is wrong. The number of jackbooted exterminators was, however, over 100,000.
Well, the important thing is that it was not just the Armvogel guys but implicates the Wehrmacht as well. That returns the Greuelpropaganda back to pre-Cold War days, before the SS became the "alibi" for a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Scott Smith 01) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49583 Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:15:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49585/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49585
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Well, Goldhagen thinks that every German was a jackbooted exterminator in Lederhosen.


And Goldhagen is wrong. The number of jackbooted exterminators was, however, over 100,000.

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The new Holohistory anticipates the eventual total discrediting of gaschamber mythology, so it is starting to focus... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (nickterry) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49585 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:19:49 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49582/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49582 :-)
... I never described [sic] to the NS Race Ideology, i.e., that the Slav's feeds@yuku.com (sergeyromanov) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49582 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:38:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49579/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49579 Quote:
SCOTT
You do your demographic research, Earldor,

EARLDOR
Oh, the work is hardly mine. It has been done by much more accomplished scholars than I.
I don't think it has been done at all. Since it is not my area of interest or expertise, I am not really in a position to systematically refute it, however.

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EARLDOR
You, on the other hand, say that the research is... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Scott Smith 01) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49579 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:54:40 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49581/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49581 :-) See p102.ezboard.com/frodohfo...t=1&stop=1
feeds@yuku.com (sergeyromanov) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49581 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:14:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49578/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49578 Quote:
NT
The Einsatzgruppen sure had a lot of help.
Well, Goldhagen thinks that every German was a jackbooted exterminator in Lederhosen.

The new Holohistory anticipates the eventual total discrediting of gaschamber mythology, so it is starting to focus on pogroms.

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The 'Aktionen' had nothing to do with reprisals that any sane person would recognise, even after... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Scott Smith 01) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49578 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:13:40 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49573/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49573
So Hoess never mentioned any gas vans?


Since we have the Becker letter directly discussing mundane maintenance on brake parts etc there must have been a central inventory for the vehicles in question. Such an inventory would have all the trucks sent to the camps and gas van centers listed under mundane headings.

These records would not likely be destroyed because they would be simple vehicle lists. The gas vans would have to be amongst them... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jetblast) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49573 Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:01:43 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49577/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49577 feeds@yuku.com (Earldor) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49577 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:45:54 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49572/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49572 Quote:
The gas vans had to have VIN numbers and registered identifications entered on records. The vans should have been traceable after the war.


If they survived. Probably, yes. But what do you think that it would establish?

We don't need the murder weapon in this case to say that people were killed by their tens of thousands (150 000+) in Chelmno, just as we don't need every pistol, rifle and machine gun to establish... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Earldor) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49572 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 11:19:09 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49571/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49571
The gas vans had to have VIN numbers and registered identifications entered on records. The vans should have been traceable after the war. I doubt every van was incinerated by military fire. Do those documents you are validating the vans by have any reference to the vehicle numbers? They had to have been sorted and entered on some inventory sheet somewhere. A very mundane one that would not have been high priority to be burned. Also, if found the work done to convert them to gas... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Jetblast) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49571 Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:49:39 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49576/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49576 Quote:
You do your demographic research, Earldor,


Oh, the work is hardly mine. It has been done by much more accoplished scholars than I.

You, on the other hand, say that the research is bogus and that you have "the truth" (tm) in your possession. So, why not share it with us and the rest of the world?

Judging by your lack of answers and desperate attempts at leading the discussion to other subjects you need a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Earldor) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49576 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:27:29 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49570/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49570
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The "it" happened/didn't happen dichotomy is a distortion of Revisionist views--and vermiform like Lipstadt either know it or are just very stupid
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Butz does not deny massacres either. He just doubts the tall tales. For example, the four regiments of the Einsatzgruppen are supposed to have killed all the Russian Jews. They must have been busy boys. He also puts the context into its proper place, a... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (nickterry) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49570 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:12:55 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49569/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49569 Quote:
NT
No one doubts that either of those two happened
The "it" happened/didn't happen dichotomy is a distortion of Revisionist views--and vermiform like Lipstadt either know it or are just very stupid.

Just read some of the letters in the Daily Northwestern and you can see how people misunderstand Butz's position and repeat bullshit mischaracterizations. Somebody claims that their Uncle Jesse died in a Nazi... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Scott Smith 01) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49569 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:13:28 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49568/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49568
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The Holocaust is not an "event," historical or otherwise; it is too complicated and broad, even monolithically so. The signing of the Magna Charta in 1215 was an event, although that story may indeed be complex. The Tennis Court Oath in 1789 was an event, although the French Revolution is complicated and broad, but probably not monolithic, since revisionism here is mainstream, even when in the minority or... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (nickterry) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49568 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:10:41 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/reply/49567/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html#reply-49567
The Holocaust is not an "event," historical or otherwise; it is too complicated and broad, even monolithically so. The signing of the Magna Charta in 1215 was an event, although that story may indeed be complex. The Tennis Court Oath in 1789 was an event, although the French Revolution is complicated and broad, but... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Scott Smith 01) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/sreply/49567 Thu, 23 Feb 2006 15:45:04 GMT <![CDATA[ Auschwitz gas vans testimonies ]]> http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/3042/t/Auschwitz-gas-vans-testimonies.html
http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_auschwitz_testi.html ]]> feeds@yuku.com (josedasilvaisfree) http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/3042 Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:44:09 GMT