(revised 1/27/2006)
Scott Smith 01
and the Negationist Team
Post no: 2592
(5/19/04 10:31 am)
Greetings to all students of History!
The Negationist Team would first of all like to express its gratitude for the participation of the Veritas Team and their lengthy submission. We apologize for the delays on our part.
In general, however, the comments by Veritas are irrelevant. Not one of their comments adequately addresses the proof of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.
The TOPIC of this discussion is simply:
"Resolved, at Auschwitz/Birkenau between 1941 and 1944,
a) people were killed in homicidal gas chambers employing Zyklon B, and
b) this killing claimed hundreds of thousands of victims."
Although the Negationist Team does not speak for all Revisionists, we do strongly feel that the Denier label is a false-dichotomy; it is more useful in squelching real open-debate on this topic than in promoting it. However, we do acknowledge the rhetorical convenience and simplicity of two adversarial camps, one of "Deniers" and one of "Believers."
Denying the existence of homicidal gas chambers in Birkenau is in our opinion not Denying the Holocaust.
Quote:Revisionists question that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered with gas "as alleged," or as described by the various eyewitnesses and affidavits.
JUGGERNAUT
The views expressed by Holocaust deniers, who call themselves Revisionists and will hereafter be designated by this term, include the following:
(i) that Jews were not killed in gas chambers or at least not on any significant scale;
Quote:All we need is a wartime document with an order to murder Jews in gas chambers.
JUG
(ii) that the Nazis had no policy and made no systematic attempt to exterminate European Jewry and that such deaths as did occur were the consequence of individual excesses unauthorised at any senior level;
Quote:In the case of Auschwitz we have several volumes of the death books which survived. From these it was extrapolated that the total number of deaths in Auschwitz/Birkenau was somewhere around 130,000 and not four-million as propagated by the Soviets, or about one-million according to historians like Hilberg and Reitlinger.
JUG
(iii) that the number of Jews murdered did not run into millions and that the true death toll was far lower;
Quote:The term "Holocaust" actually came into general use only in the seventies. Was there not a 1978 TV movie with the title Holocaust? How on earth could the Allies have used this term during WWII as propaganda?
JUG
(iv) that the Holocaust is largely or entirely a myth invented during the war by Allied propagandists and sustained after the war by Jews in order to obtain political and financial support for the newly-created state of Israel.
This is not the time to define the term "Holocaust."
Are we to believe that the Allies did not use propaganda and that everything they propagated during WWII was the absolute truth?
And were there not huge sums which were extorted out of Germany?
Threatens Edgar Bronfman, president of the World Jewish Congress, to the foreign minister of Germany Lothar de Maizire during his visit to New York in September 1990:
Quote:And Heinz Galinski, former chairman of the Jewish community in Berlin in "Blttern fr deutsche und internationale Politik," January 1987:
"Es wird ein schreckliches Ende fr die Deutschen geben, sollten knftige Generationen die Zahlungen an Israel und an das Weltjudentum einstellen; dann wird das deutsche Volk von der Erde verschwinden."
(There will be a horrible end for Germany in case future generations should stop payments to Israel and to the World Jewry. The German people will disappear from the earth.)
vho.org/D/sub/index.html#Inhalt
Quote:According to a 1979 Manifesto of 34 top French historians, that is exactly the approach of academic Holocaust history:
"Wir geben den Weg zu einer schrankenlosen Geschichtsdiskussion nicht frei."
(We will not permit a free and open discussion on history.)
vho.org/VffG/1998/1/LTI1.html#TWR
Quote:Why is questioning anything in history, including the "Holocaust," a "politically motivated falsification"? The German political left argues similarly. The "anti-Revisionists" attempt with police brutality and jail terms with up to five years to establish a religious myth and manifest that it is not allowed to doubt this.
JUGGERNAUT
Our team, the Veritas Team, consists of amateur researchers of history who have for some time studied the historical record of and evidence for the Holocaust, and who consider it necessary and useful, for the sake of historical truth and other values guiding democratic societies, to challenge the politically motivated falsification of history that Revisionists seek to propagate. We consider Revisionism to be a condemnable attempt to whitewash and rehabilitate one of the most criminal regimes in history,
Quote:And don't forget the millions of "defenseless, innocent" German people who fell victim to the Allies after the war and were killed.
JUG
and an insult to the memory of the millions of defenseless, innocent people who fell victim to that regimes racist policies of extermination
But once again we are straying away from the alleged homicidal gas chambers!
Quote:There is a lot of money and support at stake here for Israel. Revisionism certainly could endanger this.
JUG
All of us have for some time debated Revisionists on Usenet and on various Internet discussion forums, and all of us can claim to have successfully exposed many Revisionist falsehoods for what they are, stimulating awareness of and skepticism with regard to Revisionist propaganda. All of us do this on a voluntary basis in the spare time afforded by our professions and private lives, for no other reason than our personal conviction that Revisionism is a harmful intellectual perversion which should not be allowed to spread unchallenged.
But what of the homicidal gas chamber story?
By August 30, 1944 it was reported in the New York Times that the Germans had been running a "River Rouge" for assembly-line extermination at Majdanek. The Germans had supposedly developed industrial killing as efficiently as Henry Ford's famous automotive assembly line.
The hapless victims of National Socialism would find themselves expecting to be deloused, and boom, poison gas would come out of the showerheads instead of hot water! Herr Hitler was the Henry Ford of mass-murder with poison gas it would seem...
President Roosevelt gave the Allied "Black propaganda" official imprimatur in early 1944:
Quote:
In a White House statement of January 22, 1944 the President himself stressed "that it was urgent that action be taken at once to forestall the plan of the Nazis to exterminate the Jews and other persecuted minorities in Europe"
New York Times (January 23, 1944), p. 11.
In the coming months the pathogen grew in the petri dish until it ripened into its nearly final ritualistic form:
Quote:That these macabre "war stories" were suspiciously similar to the experiences of millions who actually had been deloused by wartime German authorities raised no alarm bells; so-called "Black propaganda" was needed to wage a ruinous war just like bullets and bandages."Nazi Death Parade"
1. From all over occupied Europe human freight is brought to the concentration camps for annihilation.
2. They undress for a "delousing" bath. Their clothes are stolen, shipped to Germany.
3. The soothing bath is merely to open their pores for quicker poisoning.
4. They are next led into a chamber which is suddenly sealed. "Zyklon" gas asphyxiates them.
5. The Nazis salvage the victims' gold teeth.
6. The bodies are cremated by the hundreds of thousands in rows of German built murder ovens. The ashes are sold for fertilizer use.
SOURCE: Hershey, Burnet, 1896-1971. ; Steel, Johannes; 1906- ; Weil, Joe (ed.),
"Nazi Slaughter Pens for Europe..."
The Bloody Record of Nazi Atrocities: the Crimes.
Arco Pub. Co. (NY: 1944), pp. 9-23.
But what of the peace?
The Allied Peace rested upon a shaky wartime coalition with Communist allies. It was necessary for the self-proclaimed "United Nations" to forever discredit the hated enemy, and therefore legitimate the unhappy quid-pro-quo patchwork of Allied rule. The War Refugee Board Report first came out in late-1944, providing a skeletal structure to standardize the extermination story.
The Soviets released lurid press reports of homicidal delousing chambers upon the liberation of Majdanek and showed heaps of corpses. And with uncontrolled epidemics raging in the camps at the end of the war, and found by the liberating Western powers, all the versimiltude of purported race-murder was there. British intelligence started to frame a case with captured German officers and concentration camp guards, and even the inventor of Zyklon B pesticide, Dr. Bruno Tesch.
After the WRB Report, supposedly based on the experiences of escaped Auschwitz-Birkenau prisoners, i.e., Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, the huge Auschwitz archipelago began to loom large in the Genocidal "liturgy" of gassing and burning, complete with body-stinkpiles for the newsreels found at Belsen and elsewhere, which were as good as made to order for disingenuous propaganda and irresponsible journalism.
Former Birkenau Lagerfhrer Josef Kramer presided over intakes at Belsen when the camp exploded to 50 thousand infected refugees from eastern evacuations. He oversaw upon the collapse of Germany a rate of death by disease of hundreds per day. It is not insignificant that he had been at Auschwitz. After more interrogations Kramer saw the light and nodded for the world at his trial what British intelligence wanted all to hear about the Nazi gas-ovens at Auschwitz and elsewhere. The rest merely reinforces "what we already know."
A few months after Kramer's late-1945 trial and execution the British were interrogating former Kommandant Rudolf H. Soon they had him confirming what they wanted about the supposed Auschwitz "function," and a few days later he appeared as a witness in the Nuremberg trials of the major warcriminals to clarify SS jurisdictional matters for the defense of Ernst Kaltenbrunner (the former Gestapo chief). This provided a neat opportunity to read other liturgical details into the tribunal records.
Where is the real convergence of evidence?
We of the Negationist Team are incredulous that the Veritas Team would resort to using a prominent witness, the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba. This man, upon cross-examination in the 1985 trial in Canada of Revisionist Ernst Zndel admitted under oath to resorting to "poetic license" for his story--the material that became the War Refugee Board Report published by the U.S. Government beginning in late-1944. This report then became the basis for the Auschwitz story, which was substantiated by Allied intelligence during the warcrimes trials procedures against Josef Kramer, Bruno Tesch, and Rudolf H, etc., a story that has become dogma.
Denying the "truth of the victors" was no more possible under such conditions than denying the Truth of a medieval Inquisition.
Did they get the story right?
Professor Robert Faurisson explains the Revisionist position:
Quote:What more can we say about the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba?
Robert Faurisson
Witness Rudolf Vrba was internationally known. A Slovak Jew imprisoned at Auschwitz and at Birkenau, he said that he had escaped from the camp in April 1944 with Fred Wetzler. After getting back to Slovakia, he dictated a report about Auschwitz and Birkenau, and on their crematories and "gas chambers."
With help from Jewish organizations in Slovakia, Hungary and Switzerland, his report reached Washington, where it served as the basis for the U.S. Government's famous "War Refugee Board Report," published in November 1944. Since then every Allied organization charged with the prosecution of "war crimes" and every Allied prosecutor in a trial of "war criminals" has had available this official version of the history of those camps.
Vrba later became a British citizen and published his autobiography under the title of I Cannot Forgive. This book published in 1964, was actually written by Alan Bestic, who, in his preface, testified to the "considerable care [by Rudolf Vrba] for each detail" and to the "meticulous and almost fanatic respect he revealed for accuracy." On November 30, 1964, Vrba testified at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial. Then he settled in Canada and became a Canadian citizen. He has been featured in various films about Auschwitz, particularly Shoah by Claude Lanzmann. Everything went well for him until the day at the Zndel trial in 1985 when he was cross-examined mercilessly. He was then shown to be an impostor. It was revealed that he had completely made up the number and location of the "gas chambers" and the crematories in his famous 1944 report. His 1964 book opened with a purported January 1943 visit by Himmler to Birkenau to inaugurate a new crematorium with "gas chamber." Actually, the last visit by Himmler to Auschwitz took place in July of 1942, and in January 1943 the first of the new crematories was still far from finished. Thanks, apparently, to some special gift of memory (that he called "special mnemonic principles" or "special mnemonical method") and to a real talent for being everywhere at once, Vrba had calculated that in the space of 25 months (April 1942 to April 1944) the Germans had "gassed" 1,765,000 Jews at Birkenau alone, including 150,000 Jews from France. But in 1978, Serge Klarsfeld, in his Memorial to the Deportation of the Jews from France, had been forced to conclude that, for the entire length of the war, the Germans had deported a total of 75,721 Jews from France to all their concentration camps. The gravest aspect of this is that the figure of 1,765,000 Jews "gassed" at Birkenau had also been used in a document (L-022) at the main Nuremberg trial. Attacked on all sides by Zndel's lawyer, the impostor had no other recourse than to invoke, in Latin, the "licentia poetarum," or "poetic license," in other words, the right to engage in fiction. [Emphasis added.]
The Zndel trials (1985 and 1988). Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 8, no. 4 -- Winter 1988: p. 417.
www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html
But let us continue anyway...
In Auschwitz: a case of plagiarism, Revisionist Carlo Mattogno writes:
Quote:It is noteworthy that Mller is content to conflate crematories with gaschambers in his title, but essentially "eyewitness" Mller says that he gave "eyewitness" Wetzler the plans for the crematoria/gaschamber, which then became the evidence along with the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba in the WRB Report.
Carlo Mattogno
The "eyewitness" Filip Mller, on the other hand, "waited thirty years before resolving to write," and finally, in 1979, published a detailed "testimony": Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers (Stein & Day, New York: 1979).
[...]
But the coup de grace to this "eyewitness" is supplied by Mller himself. After describing the escape from Birkenau, on April 7, 1944, of Alfred Wetzler and Walter Rosenberg (aka, Rudolf Vrba), he states:
I had handed Alfred a plan of the crematoria with the gas chambers and a list of the names of the SS personnel who worked in the crematoria (Mller, p.193).
The two fugitives wrote two reports on their purported experience at Auschwitz, which were published in the United States in November 1944.
In fact, a plan of Crematoria I and II (II and III according to the official German numbering) of Birkenau with the alleged "gas chambers" appears on page 15 of the report written by Alfred Wetzler, but this plan is a complete fabrication, as is demonstrated by a simple comparison with the original, whence it is clear that the originator of the drawing never set foot in the place he describes.
Mattogno, Carlo. "Auschwitz: A case of plagiarism." Journal of Historical Review. Spring, 1990; vol. 10 no. 1: p. 5.
www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p--5_Mattogno.html
Below is a diagram of the crematoria ovens/gaschamber at Auschwitz according to the WRB Report:
Quote:Do we see any resemblance in the WRB Report to the actual crematories II and III at Birkenau?Pressac, Jean-Claude. Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers (NY: 1989). Reviewed by: Mattogno, Carlo. Winter, 1990; vol. 10 no. 4: fig. 2, p. 482. "Jean-Claude Pressac and the War Refugee Board Report"; cf. Pressac, op cit, p. 461.
Caption above: "Fig. 2. Plan and description of Birkenau crematoria of type I and II (= II and III according to the more usual numeration) according to the Vrba-Wetzler report published by the War Refugee Board. From J.C. Pressac, op.cit., p. 461. At the Zndel Trial of 1985, Vrba testified that he was the author of the plan."
No, we do not!
Below is a diagram of what the Krema II and III buildings actually looked like:
Quote:It is clear that neither Mller nor Vrba knew what they were talking about!Krema II diagram by Marc Downing, p. 190 in R. J. van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz: evidence from the Irving trial (IN: 2002); Michael Shermer and Alex Grobman, Denying History: who says the Holocaust never happened and why do they say it? (CA: 2002), p. 159.
Instead of Kremas II and III, which had five ovens (of three muffles each) in a row, with the chimney in the back and a perpendicular "gas chamber," the diagram of the crematoria/gaschamber from the WRB Report bears a striking resemblance to a circular kiln (with center chimney) as employed in various SS prisoner economic enterprises, a diagram of which appears on page 71 of The Business of Genocide by technology historian Michael Thad Allen (NC: 2002).
It is likely that this WRB document of exterminationist fantasy was confabulated instead from a real assembly-line example of process-engineering--but one for baking bricks instead of baking corpses!
Does Veritas still wish to keep the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba as part of their corpus of evidence, or will they duck the ignominious pedigree of the exterminationist story?
The Negationist Team need therefore concern ourselves here only with the technology of mass-murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau.
Any industrial technology requires some engineering or development.
At Auschwitz we have bunkers or crematoria basements with insecticide thrown in from holes chiseled into the roof or through windows. Any further technical considerations are criminal heresy according to the Exterminationists and many postwar governments.
One would expect that the design and construction of an assembly-line gaschamber, where over one-thousand people were intended to be gassed at a time with poisonous hydrocyanic acid (HCN) from Zyklon-B fumigant, would require the input from toxicologists and chemists, pesticide manufacturers, the medical profession, and comprehensive coordination by an architect and engineering team considering all other necessary disciplines for the detailed design/modification of the crematoria morgues into industrial killing machinery.
This simply does not exist!
While it is certainly possible that one could crowd Soviet POWs slated for political execution into an airtight room, toss in fumigant, and simply wait for them to die, how does one turn this into a featured assembly-line of slaughter, as alleged, without any engineering considerations whatever?
Brigadefhrer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Dr. -Ingenieur Hans Kammler was Himmler's top engineer and head of Department-C, the building directorate of the WVHA, the main administrative and economic office of the SS.
Increasingly, Himmler was using his pool of concentration camp labor to plug gaps in Germany's wartime labor shortage and thus prove the SS indispensable to the war-effort. He hoped to build an economic foundation that the SS could rely upon for funding after the war when these great menageries of interned labor would not be available. Kammler, who along with another military civil-engineer, SS-Captain Karl Bischoff, were recruited by Himmler from the Luftwaffe to head Himmler's technical projects.
In his memoirs made in Polish captivity before his execution, Commandant Rudolf H describes Kammler in particular as competent, imaginative and energetic; he could make-do despite wartime shortages of materials and skilled labor and solve problems short of miracles. And there were many problems to solve associated with the rapid wartime expansion of Auschwitz, in what was conceived to be a model industrial and agriculture park that Himmler had envisioned by exploiting his wartime labor pool of internees. Furthermore, despite the severe wartime shortages of building materials and skilled labor, according to H, "nobody could have done more" than Bischoff, the head of the Central Building Directorate at Auschwitz.
Quote:Typhus is rampant in wartime or other cataclysms--and even today accompanied by great population movements, close quarters, privation and lack of hygiene or disrupted public infrastructure.From Left: Bracht and Schmauser. From Right: Bischoff, Kammler, H, Himmler, and behind him, Peiper (Himmler's adjutant) at the Auschwitz main camp on July 17, 1942. CLICK to Enlarge!
A typhus epidemic hit German camps in 1942, and Auschwitz, located in a region of endemic typhus, was especially hard hit and force to shut down in quarantine.
Himmler had been promised a giant bag of Soviet POWs by the General Staff in 1941 for labor, but these numbers never materialized as the prisoners had already perished of neglect in Army holding cages as the war in the East ground into a winter stalemate and logistical nightmare. Thereafter the SS sought the internment of Jews to feed its forced-labor demands.
But deaths from disease had to be brought under control, or expansion would have been impossible! Two methods were especially crucial for control of typhus: fumigation and cremation.
During and after World War I it is estimated that over twenty-million lost their lives from typhus in Eastern Europe.
Pathologist Dr. Ludwik Gross writes:
Quote:Like it or not, the facts are that all governments employed strict typhus-control measures, and this totalitarian ceremony" was not always well-received by the people forced to comply with the authorities. There was considerable fear, distrust, and black rumors during the war.
Ludwik Gross
"After World War I, 20-30 million people died in Eastern Europe from this disease, and an additional several million died during and after World War II."
Dr. Ludwik Gross, How Charles Nicolle of the Pasteur Institute discovered that epidemic typhus is transmitted by lice: Reminiscences from my years at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, v. 93:20 (October 1, 1996), pp. 10539-40.
www.rodoh.us/sd/nt/docs/pnas1996gross.pdf
www.pnas.org
In 1941, Himmler's engineers were well aware of the Degesch company fumigation machinery available to delouse clothing in the fastest possible time and with the minimum amount of vital insecticide. All possible methods of fumigation were employed at Birkenau: hot-air, steam, hydrogen cyanide, and later even microwave ovens. A familiar steam autoclave used at an immigration control point to sterilize clothing is essentially a gaschamber where the impure goes in and the pure comes out, a veritable River Rouge of sanitation technology. The various methods each had advantages and disadvantages and the SS certainly tried them all, in accordance with Himmler's standing orders to reduce the death-rate in German concentration camps at any cost.
Below, a post-WWI gasmobile for fumigation and typhus-control, ca. 1922:
Here is a WWII version called a Sonderkraftfahrzeug 93 (Special Vehicle 93) using a steam autoclave mounted on a "uniform diesel" chassis:
And this is a related vehicle used for showering and delousing of troops and prisoners in the field, called an SdKfz 92 (Special Vehicle 92). It was capable of "processing" 150 persons per hour:
Note that the Holocaust "gas 'em and burn 'em" liturgy is becoming transparent for its origins in wartime rumors and propaganda.
Perhaps the best delousing material for military use was DDT, which was introduced by the U.S. Army during the war in convenient aerosol powder from an air plunger and based on the Swiss insecticide Gesarol, which contained the DDT chemical dichloro-diphenyl-trichloroethane. DDT delousing treatments thus easily dispensed with the complex rites of smearing petroleum or Lysol, etc. on the body and showering with hot water and soap while one's clothing was deloused with steam or cyanide. But medicines and exotic chemicals were in short supply for the Germans and needed in hospitals and at the Front..
Into the gassing cellar! Below, a steam autoclave used at the Manly Quarantine Station in Australia, very similar to those found at German concentration camps:
Quote:In 1917, Zyklon-B was invented to fumigate with cyanide; however, hydrogen cyanide gas was no longer generated on-site with a cyanide salt and sulfuric acid, but instead the hydrogen cyanide, which vaporizes at room temperature, was simply absorbed into an inert carrier like diatomaceous earth or gypsum granules and sealed in a can by the pesticide factory with an expiration date. For commercial safety a pungent "warning agent" was added in case of leaking canisters. A 200g canister of Zyklon-B contained 200 grams of hydrocyanic acid and weighed about 600 grams including its inert carrier material and the metal can. This amount was used to fumigate a volume of about 10 cubic meters in Degesch clothing fumigators.Caption: "The clothes and other belongings were stacked in a carriage that ran on the rails into this autoclave. The door was locked shut at each end and steam applied. The steamed belongings came out [the] door on the other side."
http://manlyquarantine.com/Buildings_steam.htm
Various sizes of Zyklon-B cans were made depending on the size of the area that needed fumigating. Zyklon-B was thus practically ideal for fumigation of buildings because it released the deadly gas slowly and the residue was completely inert once it had given up its HCN and could merely be swept away after the area had been ventilated and sent back for recycling or discarded.
One donned a gasmask with a special "Type J" filter for hydrogen cyanide, opened up the can, dumped the bluish granules onto a sheet of paper and left. The same could be done with the fumigation of clothing left hanging in a closet or room. Hydrogen cyanide penetrated well and was extremely deadly to lice, their nits (eggs), and other vermin like fleas, ticks and rodents, that all carry and spread disease germs.
Below, an aircraft being fumigated with a Zyklon or Cyanamid product:
During the war the Germans employed special Degesch company clothing fumigator cubicles which can be seen at the crematoria building at the Dachau museum today.
Degesch fumigation technology is not difficult to understand and Dr. Kammler and his engineers certainly understood it. The important feature is the Kreislaufprinzip or the principle of the recirculation and heating of the air inside the chamber as it blows through the cyanide-impregnated Zyklon granules.
A typical Degesch fumigator is shown below:
A 200g can (5) was placed into a holder by a technician and opened with a punch (like an old can of motor oil) and the contents dumped into a hopper. Heated air was forced through the granules and this accelerated the evaporation and release rate of HCN which recirculated and mixed with the air throughout the chamber at a rate of about 70 exchanges per hour.
When fumigation time was completed, levers were thrown to change the configuration of the air-valves and the circulation now brought in fresh air from outside and exhausted poisonous air through a chimney, where it mixed harmlessly with the outside atmosphere away from people. A fumigation cycle could be completed in about an hour.
Entire railroad cars were fumigated as well. There is not much point to delousing passengers and fumigating their clothes and baggage if they reboard the same infested vehicles. In this case a larger can of Zyklon-B was used and the Kreislauf was only about 30 exchanges per hour for a longer exposure time.
This particular fumigation chamber was used in Budapest and none of the diabolical Nazi engineers evidently thought to use these gaschambers as a method to kill the Hungarian Jews interned near the end of the war and sent to labor camps or to dig bombproof tunnels for building fighter aircraft, V-2 rockets, etc., or simply sent to Birkenau to be killed and burned according to the normative Holocaust legend.
Below, an entire railcar to be fumigated is rolled into the gaschamber and the Zyklon-B from a larger canister is heated and the gas recirculated and then extracted flawlessly:
Similar structures are what we should be looking for when it comes to homicidal gaschambers employing Zyklon-B.
Instead, we get accounts of corporals chiseling holes in the roofs of crematoria morgues or dumping insecticide through attic vents or high windows--not to fumigate but to exterminate.
We have stories where instant death occurs and minutes later special-teams go in to pull out the bodies to be further violated and cremated. Victim cartoons prove it!
Warning, graphic image by former inmate David Olere!
But with our homicidal gaschambers, as alleged, there is no provision to heat the Zyklon-B other than body heat inside the crowded Death Parade chamber, nor to recirculate the air. Incredibly, this means that even long after the victims are dead the granules are still releasing their HCN! We are simply told by Exterminationists that a "powerful fan" removed the poison gas in short order.
Hydrocyanic acid is used as a means of execution in many American states, including Arizona, the last one in 1999. It took 18 minutes for the condemned man to clinically die, which is not unusual.
Opponents of capital punishment claim that death by lethal gas takes too long. They have cited data to determine how long incapacitation occurs from the time the gas "hits the face." In an execution database recorded by physicians and other observers, survival time was nine-minutes to "certain unconsciousness," and "apparent unconsciousness" took as long as five-minutes to occur.
www.idiom.com/~drjohn/cyanide.html
Empirical evidence from real American executions therefore contradicts Sonderkommano testimony that says that death for some was instantaneous as soon as the Zyklon was poured in, with the other screams dying away in a few minutes, a powerful fan then switched on and the gaschamber cleared of corpses. Wartime newspaper reports in 1944 said that it took as little as one minute to gas everybody.
With Zyklon-B, however, we actually need to allow time for the gas to be released; and even when the victims are all dead, unless the carrier material is heated or removed somehow it will slowly continue releasing poison for a long time, thus making ventilation impossible. The moist bodies will also be saturated with HCN and dogpiled together, according to the accounts, thus hindering ventilation.
It would have been child's play for the SS engineers who commissioned the crematories to have built a homicidal gaschamber employing the proven technologies of Degesch fumigation--the same engineering principles as employed with the Topf & Sons cremation ovens themselves.
But this is not supported by the evidence!
Instead, the Allied blackbag intelligence and propaganda operatives and their legal warriors in the warcrimes trials were not engineers, and thus they left wide technical gaps in the liturgy. It is no wonder that for decades the technical problems in the Exterminationist story were not even addressed by mainstream historians prior to Pressac in 1989.
The ventilation for the corpse-undressing room and the morgue in both of the basements of Kremas II and III was about 9 - 16 exchanges per hour, certainly not any powerful extraction system. The air was passively warmed by long feeder pipes from the crematoria attic to prevent freezing of the basement morgue, and air circulation was about the minimum amount necessary to meet German building requirements for heavy body storage in a cool basement. Individual body storage cannot have been for long, though, because no refrigeration was employed.
Even if the morgues had been converted for homicide later, as was argued by Pressac, it would have been simple to fabricate the ductwork necessary to heat and recirculate air through the Zyklon granules and thereby ensure rapid release of HCN, adequate mixing inside the chamber, and then extraction.
But the story is painted into a corner with holes in roofs and "wire-mesh introduction devices" and OSS/CIA wartime aerial photos purporting to show the vent holes to introduce insecticide through the roofs, but no other machinery.
Kremas IV and V, also at Birkenau, didn't even have the "wire-mesh introduction" feature and also purportedly used natural ventilation for their above-ground gaschambers. The "technicians of death" here supposedly climbed ladders to toss in insecticide through the windows near the roof.
And while it might be relatively easy to kill people, where is the "process engineering" for a scale of thousands of victims churned through this "River Rouge" of industrial annihilation like racially-undesirable hot rolls?
During a period in May, 1944 while the Hungarian action was supposedly going on and thousands were being gassed and burned in the open at Birkenau, there is no activity on the wartime aerial photos to show for it.
Birkenau, May 31, 1944:
Any competent engineer could have built a real homicidal gaschamber capable of mass-murder using Zyklon-B just the same as processing articles of clothing or persons for delousing.
Another method would have been to employ gas-generators for making carbon monoxide on-site from burning woodchips or coal. The gas would be blown through a venturi to mix with air at the optimum concentration without hazard of explosion; it would either be recirculated at the proper concentration or supplied and exhausted constantly at that concentration, and then ventilated with fresh air at the end of the execution.
Thousands of wartime vehicles used wood-gas for fuel. After building the Kremas, Dr. Kammler was placed in charge of all Nazi secret weapons from turbojets to rockets--and this ain't rocket science, folks.
An example of a gas-generator to produce carbon monoxide for vehicle fuel is shown below:
Even Hitler understood woodgas technology, as he and Armaments Minister Speer promoted it heavily to save liquid fuels for tactical military use! A slogan actually used during the war was Kraft durch Gas: Strength through Gas!
Below, Hitler inspects a woodgas (carbon monoxide) -powered vehicle:
There simply is not any technical support for any assembly-line murder factory at Auschwitz/Birkenau.
But why did the Germans build crematoria except for homicide?
First of all, the Germans built commercial crematoria ovens and not industrial incinerators such as might be used to dispose of the carcasses of diseased cattle.
Crematories are designed so that the fuel is not mixed with the ashes and bones of the corpses--so that the cremains of one body are kept separate from the next and separated from the fuel ash. For this reason they do not make the most efficient use of fuel, and the process of cremation takes a given amount of time depending on the heat conserved from previous serial cremations.
This is not the place for a long technical discussion on cremation physics; that has already been done thoroughly by Carlo Mattogno.
Nevertheless, the notion of unusual rates of body-disposal from the crematories built at Birkenau to control disease is pure fantasy.
A good ballpark figure for the cremation of a cadaver is about an hour, and a daily operation of 20 hours, with 4 hours reserved for cleaning and maintenance, should be considered a theoretical maximum. If the Germans were able to keep their equipment operational for half this time on average that should be considered optimistic by anyone who has any experience with the operation of complex machinery.
With six muffles at Auschwitz I and fifteen each at Kremas II and III, and eight each at Kremas IV and V, not all of which were always capable of operation, nor were they ever actually in simultaneous service, that is 52 muffles total--which gives us a maximum theoretical disposal rate of 1,040 corpses per day in twenty hours of operation, or actually 520 with a still-optimistic duty-cycle or reliability of fifty-percent.
Remember that at the Belsen camp at the end of the war the British were disposing of about 500 deaths per day in mass graves. Contamination of groundwater with the high water table at Auschwitz discouraged mass-graves, and the camp already experienced a death-rate during the epidemic of 1942 peaking at hundreds per day, with the camp slated to grow fast. But instead the whole camp actually had to be shut down in quarantine, and so this was an urgent engineering problem to solve if a similar epidemic ever occurred again.
Krema II was ordered in 1941 for the Stammlager main camp to add fifteen muffles to the six of Krema I, but it was built at Birkenau instead.
A second crematoria, Krema III, was ordered, with two more of a cheaper design to follow. It was still potentially not enough because the ovens kept breaking down. The chimney of Krema I for example could not take the heat and load from its six muffles, as the crematorium was originally designed for only four.
If the 52 muffles of Auschwitz-Birkenau were in working order and available at Belsen, originally a small camp with only one oven, they could have barely coped with the epidemic that the British found upon liberation. So much for fantastic body-disposal rates as a "criminal trace" for mass-murder!
And this is supported by the deliveries of fuel coke to Birkenau as well, unless one wants to believe absurdly that only about 4 kilograms of coke are needed on average to cremate each body.
The Exterminationists are therefore forced to rely upon the wildcard of open-air cremations to dispose of the bodies, as no doubt was employed during oven breakdowns or during the epidemic in 1942 and any time when an unpredictable number of dead from disease or overwork could not be handled expeditiously. The Kremas could only handle batches of so many at once and they did not have refrigerated morgues.
But burning bodies, stacks of bodies, is not proof of mass-murder, nor is burning or fumigating infested clothing. Thorough archaeological investigations should tell us more, in ballpark terms, about the scale of body-disposal at concentration camps and whether it supports the fantastic Genocide claims that have been made.
No human endeavor can be accomplished without leaving a trace.
The historian is thereby challenged because empirical observations cannot be made by the investigator at the time of occurrence, as one might observe a supernova from eons past in his telescope, for example. But there is physical evidence remnant from ancient civilizations, sometimes even seen from outer space, and despite whether recorded documentation exists. Thus a tremendous amount can be learned by open-minded investigators. Newer methods of historiography seek to incorporate the methods of a variety of disciplines.
The blueprints of the crematories found in Soviet and Polish archives, and the fumigation machinery already available to the German engineers, cannot be put into context with the Allied Greuelpropaganda and the wide tapestry of Allied lies that form the basis of the Holocaust insofar as industrialized mass-murder is concerned.
Just as evidence is left on the windy plains of ancient Troy, which could not even have been imagined by the perpetrators of history, let alone destroyed without a trace just to fool us, so it is with the Third Reich.
Nazi gassings never happened, at least not on any kind of industrial scale at Auschwitz/Birkenau. The evidence and the accounts of "perpetrators, victims, and bystanders" from various political trials is clear on this, and despite any efforts to make square pegs fit into round holes.
It is very much in the interest of any reasonable person concerned with this historical problem to find out dispassionately what did NOT happen and what DID happen, and to abandon any perfunctory liturgy and teleology of comic-book atrocities and supposed Genocide.
To put it bluntly, atrocity propaganda is not helpful to the truth, nor to the building of the peace.
To say that there was no "factory of extermination" at Auschwitz-Birkenau is not to say that wartime internment or forced labor was a picnic. With or without execution gaschambers, if a Kapo or a German mocked inmates with the otherwise very real idea that they might be "destined for the smokestack," this does not in any way lessen the horror of wartime confinement and exploitation--nor does it absolve the Allies of their own roles in one of the world's greatest tragedies, a war which killed and destroyed millions.
Thus, the proposition:
"Resolved, at Auschwitz/Birkenau between 1941 and 1944, a) people were killed in homicidal gas chambers employing Zyklon B, and b) this killing claimed hundreds of thousands of victims" ... is NOT PROVED, and therefore resolved in the NEGATIVE.
"Gas Chambers for Robert Faurisson: Answers to a Challenge," by Friedrich Paul Berg.
"The German Delousing Chambers," by Friedrich Paul Berg.
"Typhus and the Jews," by Friedrich Paul Berg.
"Zyklon B, Auschwitz, and Bruno Tesch," by Dr. William B. Lindsey.
"Auschwitz: A case of plagiarism," by Carlo Mattogno.
"AUSCHWITZ: The End of a Legend," by Carlo Mattogno.
"The Crematoria Ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau," by Carlo Mattogno.
"Jean-Claude Pressac and the War Refugee Board Report," a review by Carlo Mattogno.
The Negationist Team now awaits the Veritas Team response.
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