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josedasilvaisfree |
David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jews.&q |
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deathonacracker |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #1 | ||
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And he received 3 years in jail.
I wonder what he'll say when he gets out. Mike Remember what Irma Grese said right after the trial? I'll remind you:
"It was our duty to exterminate anti-social elements, so that Germany's future would be assured." |
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Scott Smith 01 |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #2 | ||
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That is why he should have stuck to his guns. If you give an inch they'll take a mile and then say that yes, Revisionism is nothing more than lies and anti-Semitism. Of course if he had tried to defend himself his attorney might have been charged with Holodenial, and if he had plead not-guilty he would have gotten the maximum sentence. It is a Lose/Lose proposition.
People on this forum are seriously trying to make us believe that it is possible for independent research to be conducted on the Holocaust, LOL. Well, yes, but only if you do not deviate from the Court History (i.e., Allied, Israeli, and Bundestablishment state propaganda) and the accepted Dogma. And you cannot challenge the homicidal gassing claims, of course, for they are tautological. ![]() |
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Philip Mathews |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #3 | ||
Quote: But Smith, that is all it is. They (Allies) accepted the HGCs (Holocaust Gas Chambers) uncritically because they authored these lies.
Scott Smiths Conspiracy www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html |
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Scott Smith 01 |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #4 | ||
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There is room for reasonable doubt like everything else. Any historical topic can be questioned and there have been plenty of Sacred Cows in the history of historiography.
We don't even know how many are really missing from WWII, as I said. Furthermore, it is "offensive" to state simply things regarding the Holocaust, like when I got banned at the Axis History Forum for saying the word Kremawurst derisively. You mean, it is offensive to talk about the Jews who were NOT turned into crematorium sausage and eaten for lunch. I cannot proclaim this happy news! ![]() |
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Hans |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #5 | ||
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Apparently they haven't taken Irving's admission seriously. The main reasons he got such an unexpected high sentence is said to be that he repeatedly denied the Holocaust and that he is such a prominent and influential person. Tthe proceeding judge is quoted as having stated he read 600 letters sent to Irving and only one was critically of him.
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Philip Mathews |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #6 | ||
Quote: Rubbish. We're not talking about reasonable doubt. We're talking about outright denial based on lies. They (Allies) accepted the HGCs (Holocaust Gas Chambers) uncritically because they authored these lies.
Scott Smiths Conspiracy www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html |
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The Juggernaut |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #7 | ||
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I sincerely hope this verdict is overturned on appeal, or at least that the sentence is reduced to time served.
I can almost understand why Germany and Austria in particular - as opposed to anywhere else - have laws againt Holocaust denial. Because there it isn't just about libelling Jews, but rather goes to the national honour. But go after a foreign national, and with such a steep sentence too, is over-the-top. Quote:All of the evidence I have seen so far supports this conclusion. But that doesn't mean that "treating it as such" necessarily equals prison. There are far more appropriate ways to treat bigotry dressed up as intellectual debate. |
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josedasilvaisfree |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #8 | ||
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Do you guys know if Irving really changed his mind after reading Eichmann's papers?
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Scott Smith 01 |
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When Irving spoke in Phoenix in April of 2005 he told Fritz Berg that he thought it was "possible" that the Nazis could have "experimented" with gaschambers and Gas-Vans, an equivocating answer that Mr. Berg did not like.
Irving's tactic of backing down obviously hasn't helped him. He doubts so he must go to jail--simple as that. ![]() |
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Bergmann |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #10 | ||
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Hans
Be careful running your head against the wall. I had a friend who also enjoyed doing it. It turned out later that he suffered from a brain tumor. Apparently runnig his head against the wall gave him some relief. He died horribly a few years later at the age of 15. This is true! |
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josedasilvaisfree |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #11 | ||
Quote: I'm sure he didn't like it. |
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deathonacracker |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #12 | ||
Quote: I agree. Mr. Smith, denial is in tatters. Mike Remember what Irma Grese said right after the trial? I'll remind you:
"It was our duty to exterminate anti-social elements, so that Germany's future would be assured." |
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deathonacracker |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #13 | ||
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www.timesonline.co.uk/art...87,00.html
THE sincerity of David Irvings claim that he now believes millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis and that gas chambers did exist was challenged by his twin brother yesterday. Remember what Irma Grese said right after the trial? I'll remind you:
"It was our duty to exterminate anti-social elements, so that Germany's future would be assured." |
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Scott Smith 01 |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #14 | ||
Quote:Sure, Mike, with everybody getting tossed into jail for heresy--just like in the Middle Ages--how could it not be? Irving is not even a Holocaust Revisionist. ![]() |
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Philip Mathews |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #15 | ||
Quote: Typical overblown nonsense. Who is everybody? And which of them has not produced reams of denier bullshit for years? They (Allies) accepted the HGCs (Holocaust Gas Chambers) uncritically because they authored these lies.
Scott Smiths Conspiracy www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html |
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Scott Smith 01 |
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To spell it out for you, Phil, it is clear that they are setting an example. That's why Irving's recantation was futile. Irving has been built up into the primadonna Denier because he is not a real Revisionist and least likely to defend himself on principle.
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neugierig |
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I feel sorry for Irving, but he is his own worst enemy, unfortunately.
Before his trial against Lipstadt, he wrote to someone, I forget who, something to the effect: Can you imagine, a trial in front of a British judge? He really believed that justice would be handed out. He then acted very surprised that the Holocaust Industry spend a gazillion Dollars to beat him. He is either very nave or a fool. I had real misgivings before that Lipstadt disaster, because he should have known that the Holocaust would be the issue and as he admits himself, he is not an expert on that subject. He lost, not surprisingly, because he didnt know enough about the issue. Herr Muehlenkamp posted some of the trial transcript, re. the 3.5kg coke idiocy brought up by van Pelt. Anybody familiar with incineration would have blown van Pelt out of the water, because what he claims is pure bunk. Now Irving lost again, and some of the believers are rejoicing, another heretic has been burned at the stake. Sick minds. The fact that the believers are the real losers, because they have to stifle open debate about the Holocaust and jail dissidents, doesnt enter their small minds. As long as people questioning the Holocaust are jailed Im convinced that the story, as told, can not pass muster, basta. Therefore, I see the jailing of Irving, Zndel, Rudolf, et all, as a victory for revisionism. Regards
Wilf No one is free, until we are all free |
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Calvin b1509 |
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Sure gives ammo to the current Iranian leader.
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Philip Mathews |
Re: David Irving: "The Nazis did murder millions of Jew | #19 | ||
Quote: Which, Smith, has nothing to do with the typically stupid comment you made. They (Allies) accepted the HGCs (Holocaust Gas Chambers) uncritically because they authored these lies.
Scott Smiths Conspiracy www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Exhib/HowtoEngl.html |
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Scott Smith 01 |
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Anybody who investigates the HGCs is going to jail--unless their work conforms to the standard story. It's as simple as that.
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